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Hop up Setup (Feedback)

Post by JmaesV » Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:55 am

Would like to get your performance feedback from those running this setup which I plan on doing to my Savage XL:

LRP. 32 / Dynamite 086 tuned pipe / Robinson Racing 48/16 gearing

How was your bottom-end and top-end performance?
I mostly bash and not too interested on always doing wheelies, just want a snappy start-off with some good top-end.

Appreciate any other recommendations.

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Post by SiNiST3R » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:27 am

Don't use Robinson Racing cb or spur, use HPI vented cb and HS spur
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Post by JmaesV » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:26 am

Just curious? what's wrong with the Robinson Racing Combo?
Also what's the performance difference between 48/16 and 47/17?

I want to tone down the low end from my LRP 32 and slightly increase the top-end.

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Post by SV250 » Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:07 pm

Nothing wrong with robinson. Just not needed today with the stock bell being hardened.

47/17 is a higher ratio then 48/16. Will have a little more top speed thats all.

I have the lrp32 and 086 on my ek4. Its a low end powerhouse.
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Post by SiNiST3R » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:16 pm

I don't suggest Robinson spur or cb after having a poor experience with them, i found others having the same bad experience, and as soon as I went back to HPI vented CB and Spur no more chips off the spur teeth. It doesn't strip but breaks off chunks of the teeth, IMO the Robinson spur might be too thick, the cunks come off either side of the tooth, however HPS HS spur is much thinner and I've ran the same spur on my basher ever since, not sane type, but the same spur for a few years, vs Robinson that lasted a few tanks.

If it ain't broken no need to fix it, HPI vented CB and HS Spurs are proven to last and if they work there is no need to go aftermarket with a questionable part.

That's just me tho, I'm sure some run Robinson's no problem, just what's the point when HPI vented CB and HS Spurs are tried tested and true.
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Post by JmaesV » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:23 pm

Kool, thanks for the info.
I've decided to by the HPI Spur and CB (47/17) to run my Savage XL.

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Post by SiNiST3R » Sat Oct 24, 2015 12:15 am

[quote="JmaesV";p="887444"]Kool, thanks for the info.
I've decided to by the HPI Spur and CB (47/17) to run my Savage XL.[/quote]

Good move, if itcaint broke no need to fix.

I dug up a Robinson spur for example.


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Post by JmaesV » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:16 am

[quote="SiNiST3R";p="887447"][quote="JmaesV";p="887444"]Kool, thanks for the info.
I've decided to by the HPI Spur and CB (47/17) to run my Savage XL.[/quote]

Good move, if itcaint broke no need to fix.

I dug up a Robinson spur for example.


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Thanks man! appreciate you showing the spur gear, probably save me some cash in the long run.

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Post by JmaesV » Sun Nov 01, 2015 7:40 am

I just installed 47/17 gearing on my Savage XL. I've noticed a good amount of improvement on the top-end and I'm still able to do wheelies on demand.

My LRP.32 seemed to really open up on 2nd and 3rd gear after I adjusted them to shift later. I was surprised by the amount of improvement as I'm still running the stock pipe (waiting for my Dynamite 086 to come in).

I just hope the other stock parts on my Savage XL can hold up to the power increase.

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Post by JmaesV » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:53 am

I installed a Dynamite 086 pipe to my setup. Maybe it's just me but I didn't notice too much of a performance increase compared to the stock pipe. Also seemed like I lost some bottom-end power but gained a slight increase in top-end. I think it had better power balance with the stock HPI pipe.

Anybody have experience with the Dynamite 086 pipe?

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Post by SiNiST3R » Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:43 am

Might need to tune the engine to the pipe. Swapping pipes back and forth wont show the true gains of the O86 without tuning the engine a bit for the pipe.
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Post by LLkoolskillet » Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:17 am

The 086 is an upper rpm range pipe which is why you saw a loss in your low end with the gain up top. I prefered the 053 when I had my LRP30. The 053 is a mid range pipe.
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Post by JmaesV » Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:01 am

Ok, thanks for the info guys...I'm going try the 086 but maybe change the gearing up.
Since I have the 47T spur...would anybody know if 47/16 (2.94 ratio) would fit the savage without modifications? would I see a slight increase in low-end?

Just want to gain a bit of low-end with the 086.

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Post by SiNiST3R » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:58 pm

Have you retuned the engine with the 086? I run the 086 on a ZR30 with higher gearing than you and low end torque is not an issue, especially gearred to 47/17 should be real poppy. Top end is good for over 50mph also.

Changing your pipe messes with the tune, chances are you can lean it out more than it was with the stock pipe while maintaining a "proper" tune thus increasing your bottom end and top end. If you just swapped pipes your engine is not tuned anymore. It would be crumby if all you had to do is fine tune the engine but instead you drop gearing. A change of tuned pipe on a Nitro engine requires a Tune up. Better pipes more often then not can take some leaning out the stock pipes can't. A lil turn on the HSN will be good for both top and bottom end. Leave the LSN tuned to idle and the HSN will give you what you want in the low and top end.


I also like to keep in mind it's hard to notice any real difference in performance without measuring in some way, remember people put on free flow filters and swear they feel the increase in HP, but really tho lol. I suspect when talking low end punch your talking wheelies, in an XL you need to make sure the suspension is set up to pop, its not an X the XL front end weighs more in the air due to the increased leverage of the longer chassis. The clutch needs to be good too, very important.

If you at all messing with the gearing I suggest you use the gearing calculator found in the engines and fuels section. It will answer your gearing questions, except what fits the chassis, but you can calculate matched gearing and should be able to figure out what to use.

I don't suggest going to 47/16 just tune the engine, but 52/17 just about equal to 47/16 and it will fit. I strongly recommend tuning your engine before you mess with gearing. If you in the end just want a touch more low end try a 49t spur, lil more low end vs 47t but not as much of a leap as 47/16 or 52/17

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Post by JmaesV » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:27 pm

Thanks Sinist3r for the helpful info.
I've retuned my LRP32 for the 086 pipe and also tightened my slipper clutch a bit, I've noticed the increase in low-end after that and able to pop some wheelies.

Also I had to adjust the 2nd/3rd gears as it was shifting too early. So what I did was closed

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