New Wheels/Tires...help me decide

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New Wheels/Tires...help me decide

Post by hooverimg » Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:29 pm

Need some help, I currently run ERCM sb on my savage x ss with Lrp28 ...I would like to get a lighter wheel/tire setup. The difference between my trencher x and dirtbonz is significant. The dirtbonz are lighter which helsp alot with throttle response/quickness...however, the trencher x help the truck remain stable and prevent rollovers. My guess, is I can keep the truck stable and fast if I get some wider wheels and light tires...correct?

Please help me decide on best wheel/tire combo for stability and quickness, running on pavement (50%) and grass (50%)...other suggestions welcomed!

Wheels Considered:
RPM - Stablemaxx http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXVCA5&P=7
Axial 8 Spoke http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXPEC1&P=K
HPI Warlock http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_inf ... k-Chrome-2
HPI 8 Spoke http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXJLF7&P=K
Proline F-11 http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_inf ... ls-Black-2

Tire Consideration
HPI Dirtbonz http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_inf ... ck-Tires-2
Traxxas sporttrax http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_inf ... Tires-Revo
HPI Aggressors http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_inf ... Compound-2
HPI Dirt Claws http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_inf ... 145x85mm-2
Proline Mashers http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXDAAT&P=M

leaning towards dirtbonz with a wider wheel....what would you suggest?

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Post by LeroyX » Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:55 pm

Dirt bonz would wear quickly on pavement but work well when mounted on .5" offset rims. Try badlands premounted on desperado rims, they are .5" offset and nice and light.
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Post by hooverimg » Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:21 pm

Thanks for the feedback

Just curious...will badlands outlast dirtbonz on pavement (I've been impressed with how well dirtbonz have lasted).

Also, the badlands look pretty tall and narrow...will the truck rollover more or less compared to dirtbonz (assumed a wider tire/wheel would be better)?

Lastly, can the badlands stretch to fit a wider wheel like the axial 8 spoke? http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wt ... LXPEC1&P=K

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Post by iwaslikedayum » Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:27 pm

IMO, of the wheels you're considering, the F-11 is going to be the best choice in the name of stability due simply to the 1/2" offset.

I recently purchased these after talking with LeroyX about one of his setups.

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They're 1/2" offset and I doubt there's anything lighter. I haven't made my final decision about the tire yet, but I'm leaning heavily toward belting some GT2s.
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Post by hooverimg » Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:42 pm

Assuming the badlands fit the F-11? Also, help me understand the specs on the F11 state they are 2 inches in width, while the Axial 8 spoke are 3.4 inches...do I need a wider or narrower wheel for stability (trying to prevent rollovers).

Also, is there a better solution to prevent rollovers (e.g. adjustments to shock oil/springs/etc)?

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Post by iwaslikedayum » Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:07 pm

Yeah, the badlands will fit the F-11.

These are Desperados, but the the F-11 has identical dimensions.

2 3/4" wide
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3 3/4" tall
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The badlands are about 3" wide and 5 3/4" tall, and on a 1/2" offset wheel will be extremely stable.
I wish I could tell you more about their characteristics on pavement, but I never run on it with'm. Skillet says they hold up as well as any knobbed tire and I'd trust that.
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Post by hooverimg » Thu Dec 26, 2013 10:44 pm

Thanks for the photo's!

What performance differences could I expect to see between badlands and dirtbonz (will badlands slow down take off)?

Are the badlands your favorite setup (seem to be most popular)...if so why?

Also, which wheel is best for badlands...should I just get them premounted?

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Post by LeroyX » Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:02 pm

I just weighted dirtbonz on warlock rims with stock foam-210 grams, badlands premounted on desperadoes-238grams. Both are about the same height and are amoung the lightest combos out there.

My opinion on the dirtbonz is they are OK. They are very good on a specific surface which is a mostly hard packed dirt surface. Loose dirt they are not very good. Pavement they wear fast (at least with a modded picco they do) Grass I don't know as I tend to avoid grass.

Badlands are an all around tire. Being slightly heavier the extra rotational mass will technically slow acceleration somewhat but IMO that is more than offset by their superior grip. If you buy they might as well get them pre-mounted on desperadoes.

I still like stock gt2 tires as well, they are exceptional at nothing but yet fun at everything if that even makes sense.

Honestly if you liked the handling of trencher x's you will love the badlands. because they are so much lighter you will break less parts, acceleration will be greatly improved and it will roll less because they are shorter which of coarse reduces your ride height.
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Post by hooverimg » Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:24 pm

Thanks LX,

I will likely go with the pre-mounted badlands on desperados.

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Post by revobashin » Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:07 pm

[quote="hooverimg";p="876523"]Thanks LX,

I will likely go with the pre-mounted badlands on desperados.[/quote]

It is cheaper that way but if you want to strap the tires so you don't get the massive tire ballooning you should order the separate strap them and mount them yourself.

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Post by hooverimg » Fri Dec 27, 2013 6:37 pm

How badly do the premounted badlands balloon,...also, are than the F-11 mentioned above, what wheel would you recommend for the badlands?

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Post by iwaslikedayum » Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:00 pm

The F-11 and Desperados are identical in dimension.

I bought badlands pre-mounted on desperados. If I had it to do over, I'd buy them separately and belt them. Badlands don't balloon near as bad as many others, but here at Savage Central we're mostly all pushing even the best performing tires beyond their limit.

Pro-Line made an awesome tire to match and even improve on the capabilities of these RTR MTs. Trouble is everyone is mod'd to the gills and now even the best after market parts need help to keep up.

Between the F-11s and Badlands, I'd get whichever one you like looking at and belt the badlands. Once you're pushing 17/47 gearing with ease, you're going harder than HPI thought you would in a nitro Savage.
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Post by hooverimg » Fri Dec 27, 2013 8:31 pm

Ok...I will mount them myself...is taping the inside of tire with gorilla tape the best way to prevent ballooning?

Also, are the stock foams with the badlands fine to keep?

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Post by revobashin » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:13 am

[quote="hooverimg";p="876537"]Ok...I will mount them myself...is taping the inside of tire with gorilla tape the best way to prevent ballooning?

Also, are the stock foams with the badlands fine to keep?[/quote]

gorilla tape works great I have used it and regular duct tape both work the same but the regular duct tape seems lighter making less rotational mass and easier to balance. The stock foams are fine they seem like they are to big to fit but they will.

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Post by LeroyX » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:18 am

Call me crazy but I prefer a little ballooning. I have taped a few sets of tires and found while they might handle better if you are racing on a track or maybe going for straight line top speed but for general use I find ballooning seems to aid in traction and for some reason smoother running.
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Post by donyms » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:19 am

If my tires didn't balloon, i would think my truck was broke. LOL! I think one day I will belt a set of street tires for speed runs but for bashing, I like them to balloon. I wish they made the badlands with a little bigger OD but until they do I am going to stick with the Trenchers. I have the Trencher X now and my next set will be the Trencher "non X" because they are narrower "lighter". I am going to get a set of the Badlands though for my girlfriends Kyosho, the OD is perfect for it.  8)
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Post by iwaslikedayum » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:17 pm

All this tire talk is making me hungry.

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Post by diskfunktional » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:51 am

[quote="donyms";p="876550"]If my tires didn't balloon, i would think my truck was broke. LOL! I think one day I will belt a set of street tires for speed runs but for bashing, I like them to balloon. I wish they made the badlands with a little bigger OD but until they do I am going to stick with the Trenchers. I have the Trencher X now and my next set will be the Trencher "non X" because they are narrower "lighter". I am going to get a set of the Badlands though for my girlfriends Kyosho, the OD is perfect for it.

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